Interview of Hasan Yahya, Ph.D, Muslim thinker and author of at least 16 books (in 2012 – 90 books). He has lived ‘a decent life’ in the United States for a long time, have three boys, one daughter, and 8 grandchildren. He was a sociology professor, retired now, for health causes, having had a liver transplant two years ago. “Believe it or not, I published last month over than 16 books in one month, both in Arabic and English. I should be recommended by a third party to enter the Guiness book of records. I believe,” he said.
Here is the Part 1 of the very long Interview of Professor Hassan Yahya, Phd: Question: We had 911 and the US wars against Muslims (Facts tells us that was not a war against terrorism but one against Muslims) but we also had a rise in Muslim militancy (Mujahideen) in the process. Should the Muslims abandon their rights to fight back on their own lands (Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia etc) and let the western world re-conquer to rule the Muslim lands again?
Answer: Responding to your first question about 9/11, I am convinced that the Muslims were the Trojan Horse. Those who used Muslims to do the 9/11 were highly organized and futurists like your site (I mean American capitalists, here). Their interest was known widely among many thinkers in the US, including my self. What happened is similar to what happened two hundred years ago, when Darwin came out with his theory which was given as reasons to justify colonialism of Asian and African nations.
Islam from the beginning was targeted. ONLY because it is the forming force for unity, not because it is Islam. The significance of Islamic faith is dangerous for the West, as communist was in South America. I don’t want to explain Islam here, because we both know very well, the power of Islam and Muslims when it comes to beliefs and simple practices (Muhammad-pbuh-was one person). The United States as a leading power brought most of the world to stand against Saddam Hussein, because he was representing nationalism as Jamal Abdul-Naser of Egypt (and Gathafi for a short time). Even though Saddam was not that respected Muslim, but he had a vision, unfortunately he was used by the West (US and Britain) to pass their policies of domination of the Arab world. They used him and gave him the green light to occupy Kuwait (this is recorded by many resources). He took the bait.
Saddam, al-Qaida, and Taliban acted with misunderstanding of the age, and self power, and gave America the power to deceive the rulers in the area, for the purpose of neocolonialism of the OIL world (which happen to be Muslim world). As you know, King Faisal paid for his life for his oil embargo in 1973. (It took two long years from CIA to plan his assassination). Saddam missed the opportunity to defeat his enemies when he had the chance. As Taliban and al-Qa’ida did. Unfortunately, they dealt with little planning in facing America. Had they succeeded they would have hurt the interest of the Western World. Unfortunately this was a game, and they lost it because they did not understand the game RULES.
But this is not an excuse to invade Afghanistan, Iraq, and any other militant Islamic groups. But the US timing was smart. Taliban and al-Qai’dah missed calculated after the defeat of Communism. In my opinion, they should havewaited at least 20 years of planning before rebelling.
Saddam had his mistakes, he had the chance to withdraw his army and save nationalism, (or at least to keep his regime). But arrogance, ignorance, and miscalculations led him to his death and defeat. I can tell you that the opportunity for progress and hope of new Arab and Muslim future have been assassinated for years to come by smart planning of those who know (Western Info-tech plus knowledge), it was not the matter against Islam at the beginning, because in South America when USA was planning to assassinate revolutionary leaders, they were not Muslims. But because they threaten America’s interests. American interests in the middle East can be summed in two points : Domination of rulers to suppress the people under their regimes, and to control the resources of the lands (especially oil). They do not care about Islam, if Islam was not the leading power to unite people.
As of the answer to the second part of the question I say: No, Muslims should not abandon their rights to fight back on their own lands (Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, etc., ) and let the western world re-conquer to rule the Muslim lands again.
I can give a counter question before answering: Can Militant Muslims (Mujahideen) with their limited leadership and resources defeat the Western powers? If your answer was negative, then I can tell you that they can save their powers accept defeat for a while, until they become strong. Prepare new generation peacefully for the future. Saladin, in his times decided to liberate Jerusalem, he asked the people to send their 9 years children, and he trained them to be fighters. When they became 16 years old, His army was ready to defeat the crusades. He achieved his goal then by planning and using time. These days, the enemies inside are more than the enemies outside the Muslim Communities.(The CIA and the Mossad article), Muhammad (pbuh) negotiated with the Kuffar, in Hudaybiyah but opened Makkah after two years and achieved his goal of conquering Makkah. He waited the right time. Saddam lacks wisdom to stand against the World powers after 8 years war with Iran. Al-Qai’da and Taliban undermined the Western powers, they had time to prepare. Unfortunately, they, like Saddam Hussein got the bait to involve themselves in fighting America after a short period of the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan. They were out of history, because they did not plan well in the first place. International game have to be played very well by the rules of the game. Today, wars are not between man and man, as you know, it is between minds, minds control knowledge and technology, and minds control only women and weak persons. (It is not the time of Muhammad-pbuh-and Kuffar or Makkah). Our time is different, and has its rules.
It is the time of two worlds: the week, ignorant, emotional, and spiritual compared with the strong, the technological, the rational, and secular (not spiritual) world. Time have changed. The West have changed, but the Muslims did not. They still living in the medieval age in terms of technology and power.
Question: You mentioned that ‘Muslims have to change in order to change others’. What changes do you wish to see among Muslims?
Answer: Recent history of Arabs and Muslim countries shows that these nations are “hash in Arabic” have no ingredients of national survival. They are not in any way considered Arabs, or even considered Muslims. Numbers doesn’t help a nation to survive . It is the quality of the people and their resources which sustain national identity and survival. NONE of the Arab countries (not) nations, had the principles of a modern state. They still living a tribal life, the tent is replaced by villas and houses or palaces, but people did not change. illiteracy rate, private ownership, nepotism, and favoritism still dominating all aspects of life.
How can you find in a short time among these countries who can imagine to defeat the West by words and beliefs alone. “w’aiddu lahum,“ what do Muslims prepare for victory? Militancy these days is beneficial for those who serve it. They have to stop exploiting the minds of good people among them and around them. Religion is not a property to belong to one person, or nation. It belongs for God alone. And people have the choice to believe or not to believe. I think religion will be much cherished than what is it today.
Question: Should Muslim fighters against Nato/Western forces be called terrorists? If that is the case, what about ‘state terror’ by Israel, US, UK and so on?
Answer: Killing innocent people cannot and should not be justified. But reason tells us to accept defeat temporary, and plan very well to have victory. I am against war in general, but the land is for God, and we only distribute its resources among people. A new level of understanding that people have limited physical and mental capabilities may lead to plan for short as well as long range plans. History is our professor. The state or individual terror will survive forever. (survival of the fittest have to be rejected) Israel will vanish in 50 years by itself, not by the power of the Palestinians or Arabs. Therefore, Palestinians have to live peacefully with the enemy until they become strong, and live a decent life anywhere on the Arabic and Muslim world until time comes.
(wal-Ayyamu Duuwalun in Arabic ) nothing survive forever, or one day for you, the other day against you. The problem is not Israel, the problem is the Arab and Muslim governments, and of course Hamas included. If Hamas leaders think that they will defeat Israel, they are dreaming. They have to accept the defeat to live in peace. Japan was defeated in recent history. But survived as a leading nation. I think to feel defeated one time, much better than to be defeated and suffering all times. Let the new generation decide. Bring happiness to the land, and the people of the land.
Questions: Political Islam is a reality though it is not really seen in Muslim states among Muslim leaders and politicians but that does not mean it does not exist. How would you define ‘Political Islam’ or would you reject the notion of ‘Political Islam’?
Answer: Islam is a religion. And religion alone cannot build a civilization. Religion makes people dogmatic to their beliefs. After the four guided Khalifs, there was no Islamic state or politics other than tribal politics. There was tribal governments, the Umayyads were making the Arabs as first citizens and others second citizens. The Abbasids was a tribe government too with making room for the non Arabs more than the Arabs. The fractions after while became local rulers in their countries, until the Othman empire came and ruled the whole Muslim countries for five centuries.
The time for independence of most Muslim and Arab countries is so short. They almost all have very short time of leaving the basic needs level as they were connected with certain ties with the occupiers of their lands.
In these days Arab and Muslim governments were born and still survive by the aid of foreign powers except in some cases. They are not states. Most of them are puppets. They lack identity. Islam is like any other religion and is not accurate to describe governments with tribal names. Political systems have to be neutral in serving their citizens and to be defined as a nation. There should be new styles of political states, with little influence of religion in general. People have to learn that religion is a personal belief not a national one or global one. It’s God’s will to have Heaven and Hill.
Question: You said: “At least, let’s give America the chance to go back to moral ethics in dealing with international big issues,” What chance should we Muslims give the US when it plundered Muslim nations, killing innocents (still killing) and has no intent on stopping? These are facts, not emotional statements.
Answer: If you understand what I mean by making religion as a personal rather than national belief, you will guess that I mean Arabs and Muslims have to know who they are, and what is their power in changing (not modern) times. Freedom should be respected, minority groups have to be respected, nationality should be defined, and resources have to serve the public. Religion, in the Muslim and Arab world these days, is promoting disunity and national dogmatism and asabiyyah, which is similar to apartheid. I can tell you that Islam is not found in the so-called Muslim countries. I am sure it can be found among individuals and groups, but it is absent from governments.
Why we carry Islam in our hearts, while we insult it in our practice and dogmatic disrespect of others. The whole world is going to leave religion someday, no one can deny this fact in Islam. The Qur’an and tradition say. If God whishes all people to be Muslims it will be an easy job for him, but it’s His Will not to do that. God also, said: If you deny Qur’an, or there is no God, bring your proof.
God negotiate with his slaves, can’t people negotiate with others? Muslims have to decide in their totality to be in the side of America from now on. To begin building their nations and their powers, to bring freedom and liberty for the minds and actions for all citizens and guests from the immigrants. America is coming to its senses someday, if we become closer to it in respecting the way of citizen’s life. Nothing remains the same. Electing Obama may give some inclination to acceptance of the unaccepted before.
Finally, the Arabs need an Arab Ataturk. One who have the courage and power to put religion aside, and deal with daily problems of the people. Such as education freedom, democracy, liberty, and social progress. May be this idea is too soon, but it’s coming may be in the next 20 years. I guess.